The Accounts Of Eros In The

“Symposium” Essay, Research Paper The Accounts of Eros in the “Symposium” The word love carries with it many, many different interpretations. In modern

“Symposium” Essay, Research Paper

The Accounts of Eros in the “Symposium”

The word love carries with it many, many different interpretations. In modern

day, our views on what is appropriate love is much different from the views from

the time of Socrates and Plato. To them love was eros, a direct translation of

the word love.

However, the word itself wasn’t the only thing that was different about love. In

Plato’s “Symposium”, there is a celebration for Agathon. He had just won a

dramatic contest in Athens, Greece two nights ago. It is customary to drink much

wine at these gatherings, however, every one present is too weak from the night

before. (Nehamas & Woodruff, pg. xiii) So a proposition is made, by Phaedrus, to

properly give praise to the god Eros, and speak on the topic of love. It was

their opinion that no poet has yet been able to properly do so. (Nehamas &

Woodruff, pg. 7) There were a total of seven accounts given in praise of eros,

by seven different people who are present at the party. Of these accounts, the

one that made the most sense was the speech of Socrates when he quotes Diotima.

This account is practical, and shows love not as a heavenly creature, but as a

mortal being, where we can interact with him. It also has answers that most of

the other accounts could not even question. This is what stands the speechof

Socrates and Diotima apart from most of the others. But, there were two other

speeches that were also impressive and brought about points that Socrates did

not make. These accounts were given by Aristophanes and Agathon. Through these

three speeches, we can get a good picture of what eros is. Starting with the

most complete account: Socrates and Diotima; and moving through Aristophanes and

then Agathon, this paper will show why these accounts are superior, and why

Socrates’ makes the most sense.

After Agathon’s speech, it was Socrates’ turn to present his account of eros.

But before he does, he tells Agathon that his speech was marvelous and that at

one time, Socrates also believed in what Agathon believed. That was until a

women named Diotima taught him the real truth in eros. It is however, believed,

that Socrates made up the character of Diotima, the reason, though, is unknown.

In spite of this, Socrates gives a remarkable speech that is truly complete. One

of the first misconceptions among all the speakers was the age of the god Love.

Many believed him to the oldest of the gods, thus making him ancient. Diotima

knows this is not true. She speaks of the way Love was conceived, a clever

scheme by a god to escape her misfortunes. It seems the goddess of poverty,

Penia laid down beside Poros and became pregnant with Love (Nehamas & Woodruff,

pg.48) This makes Love unique. Love is good, though, because he is a lover of

wisdom, that is, he pursues the notion of philosophy. But, he is in between

wisdom and ignorance (Nehamas & Woodruff, pg. 49), according to Diotima, which

is much different an account from the other speakers. Phaedrus had placed Love

at the top of all gods, describing ways in which Love “breathes might into some

of the heroes,” (Nehamas & Woodruff, pg. 10). This is untrue. However, Diotima

speaks of ways in which love helps human beings. This happens when the love for

things like sports or poetry helps a person create something from nothing. Love

is a word used to describe the whole, where there are special parts of love used

to describe specific passions and possessions. (Nehamas & Woodruff, pg. 51). And

love is wanting to posses the good forever (Nehamas & Woodruff, pg. 52) Finally

we see the main points in Diotima’s argument when she accurately describes the

real purpose of love. It is almost like a natural instinct. All animals,

including humans, have a need to reproduce. The real purpose in love is giving

birth in beauty, whether in body or soul (Nehamas & Woodruff, pg.53). This means

that the pregnant person causes the baby, or new born idea if the birth resulted

from the soul, to be beautiful because all new borns are beautiful and this is

as close as a mortal may get to immortality. By producing offspring, the human

being continues life forever. By this, we see what it is that love wants as well.

And that is reproduction and birth in beauty (Nehamas & Woodruff, pg. 53) to

continue the love, and retain possessions that have been acquired through the

good.

Diotima had briefly referred to aspects in her story that closely resembled the

account of Aristophanes. Aristophanes also gave a vivid account that had brought

up arguments that were very interesting. They were somewhat different from

Diotima’s, but nonetheless, they were good.

Aristophanes believed in human nature. No one else had spoke of this. To

Aristophanes, there were three kinds of human beings. To the others, there were

only two kinds (Nehamas & Woodruff, pg. 25) Aristophanes described the way

humans were. They were completely round, spherical, had four hands and four legs,

two faces and two sets of reproductive organs. The three kinds were male and

male; female and female; and a special kind of mix of male and female (Nehamas &

Woodruff, pg. 25) These being presumable were too out of control. The gods

needed to contain them in order to be served by them. So Zeus had split each

human into two halves, making two distinct people (Nehamas & Woodruff, pg. 26)

Now, each person had a feeling that they were incomplete. They longed for their

other half. This is their source, and now ours, for desire to love. They spent

their lives searching for that other person to complete the circle. Hence, love

is born into every human being to go find their other half, this is our nature

(Nehamas & Woodruff, pg. 27). This idea helps Aristophanes describe the

male/female love, because to him, it is of the lowest type of love. But for

modern society, it helps describe the male/male and female/female love. This

idea makes sense to the members of the party. It truly explains why men would

love women, and not just keep them to procreate. When the two halves find each

other, it is said that something miraculous happens. They fall in love, and

never wish to be separated again. It is almost like they become a single person

again. Those men that were split from another man, according to Aristophanes,

are the most manly in their nature (Nehamas & Woodruff, pg. 27). He says that he

can prove it because those are the boys that are politicians (Nehamas & Woodruff,

pg. 28) However, this part of Aristophanes argument has no real proff behind it.

There is no way of measuring human nature, and so, there is no way of telling

which type of human being each boy descended from, whether it be a male to male

relationship, or a male to female relationship. This problem in Aristophanes

argument brings about another oversight. He claims these men have no interest

in marriage and reproduction (Nehamas & Woodruff, pg. 28) This however, would go

against what is good. It is good to produce offspring, we see this in Diotima’s

account, but for Aristophanes, this does not seem to be a case of good or bad.

Aristophanes definition of Love is that it is the name we give for our pursuit

of wholeness with our other halves. It is our desire to be complete (Nehamas &

Woodruff, pg. 29). This is a very accurate statement, in light of what

Aristophanes is arguing for. This is very much different, however, then the

characteristics Agathon gives to Love. Agathon does not think that there is a

single idea for love, but that it encompasses many related characteristics.

As Agathon first speaks, he wishes to celebrate the gods, not congratulate

mankind as his predecessors have done (Nehamas & Woodruff, pg. 32) Agathon

states that Love, is the youngest of all the gods. To defend this, he claims

that Love is always within young people and is one of them. Therefore, he stays

young forever. The proof here is that the violent deeds done in the past were

before Love was created, and taken his throne of king of the gods (Nehamas &

Woodruff, pg. 33). Love’s character was noble and moral. He contained four

virtuous characteristics: justice, moderation, bravery and wisdom (Nehamas &

Woodruff, pg. 34). In justice, Love could not be harmed by violence, and this

was further proof of his age and his position as king of the gods. Love was

moderate in that he took power over pleasure. By this, Love had power over

pleasure, because the greatest of all pleasure was love (Nehamas & Woodruff, pg.

35). In other words, Love was a fitting king, according to Agathon. In bravery,

Love had a hold on everyone, gods and humans alike. Bravery is related to power,

and with this hold, Love is the bravest (Nehamas & Woodruff, pg. 35). Of all

four characteristics, the one that shows proof of Love’s goodness towards humans.

In wisdom, one can teach another, whatever the task may be. Love gives this

wisdom, for it is a love for something that allows us to learn from it, this is

a technical skill that Love offers (Nehamas & Woodruff, pg. 35) Agathon’s

account of Love is very good. He backs up his claims with popular belief. But,

what was right to them, may not seem correct to us, and this is a problem that

arises with Agathon’s speech.

In the times of Socrates and Plato, eros was a much different word then it’s

translation: love. He have seen how love takes the shape of a god, and how it

has influenced the evolution of human kind. In the “Symposium”, Socrates gives

the most sensible account of eros when he quotes Diotima , even though to this

day, it is unclear whether Diotima was a fabrication to fit Socrates’ needs when

discussing love. The speech of Aristophanes was also worth noting, as he had

brought up the point of human nature, the only speaker to do so. As well,

Agathon had a very complete speech, he chose to describe the god Love in terms

of his moral character and his virtues. These three accounts were the best of

all that were offered. Socrates was the superior one to the other two, but

nonetheless, the speeches of Aristophanes and Agathon were complete. Together,

these three accounts form a very good picture of eros, one that shows every

aspect of what eros truly is.

Bibliography

Nehamas, A. & Woodruff, P. “Symposium”, Hackett Publishing Company,

Indianapolis, Indiana, 1989

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