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after a long time of doing that, I suddenly became very ill and got brain fever and went

into a coma, and when I came out of my coma, I couldn’t remember anything, but I was very

happy, extremely happy. I remember waking up singing a little ditty from Archibald

MacLeish’s play, J.B., that was about survivors of nuclear warfare. It had

this little childish song in it: ‘I love Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, da da da . . . ‘ I

sang the song for a year; that was the only thing I could do, it was my only skill. And

during that time I realized that if I was going to do what I had set out to do in my life,

I would have to go all the way with it and take every single risk you could take. I was

then twenty-five years old and I saw that I could have died a very nice ordinary woman who

had produced absolutely nothing. So I bought a notebook and I got a very strange hat and I

went to a local bar and told everyone I was a poet. I began taking notes and began again,

and this time I decided I would not do anything I didn’t want to do that would keep me

from my art. And I haven’t since that time. I just turned forty.

"I should probably add that I was very fortunate to have had a lover who wanted me

to be a poet, and she took care of me for that year when I was in such terrible condition.

She was a teacher and so we just got by. It was a very hard year. And then I did not go

and become a poet until I had also gotten a part-time job as a laboratory technician.

"Edward The Dyke was written at that time. It was considered unpublishable, a

little satire about a woman and a psychiatrist. I wrote Edward The Dyke in

Washington, D.C. That’s the white collar center of the universe. You would think that no

one would ever write a lesbian feminist satire in 1965 in Washington, D.C., but I did.

Since it was unpublishable, I had to wait and become a publisher myself before I could

really get rolling.

"In 1969 I founded a press with Wendy Cadden, an artist, with a simple mimeograph

machine. I had a little trouble learning to use it at first—it’s such a classical

office machine that I had avoided it for many years, not wanting to end up doing only

that, but when we realized that no one was going to do our work for us, we began to design

beautiful books on that mimeograph machine. We treated it as an artistic instrument, and

it produced for us as an artistic instrument. We produced books of graphics and poems,

deciding to find a new basis for the criticism of art and poetry.

"Thiswas the same time I began writing The Common Woman poems. I took them

to my neighbors and asked them what they thought of them. I did not say that I had written

them. Sometimes I just said ‘Someone gave me these poems. What do you think of them?’

to get female feedback. I was very courageous in those days because real people tell you

real things about your work. It established a new basis for women’s art—things which

had formerly been unspeakable suddenly became vital and desirable things to say, and The

Common Woman poems spread all by themselves without any help from any New York

publication of any kind.

"People took them along because they wanted other people to read them. We had

women who sold them on the buses, sold them at work. Women sneaked them into foreign

countries because they wanted others to have them. That’s what building a network of

people is about—people who are just as interested in what you’re doing as you are,

and you help them and they help you. So much depends on making sure your work is relevant,

making sure that it is useful to other people.

"The Common Woman poems spread: the last time I counted them was about eight

years ago, and they had been reprinted half a million times from Canada to Australia and

to Germany. I get letters from women in jail, women in Harvard Law School, and men in

jail, men in Harvard Law School, about them and about other things. So we shifted the

basis of poetry, coming out of what the beatniks had been trying to do, but they had

stayed a little exclusive, and I think the women’s movement and the black arts movement

also shifted the basis for art and infused it with a new set of ideas and a new

lifefulness. Our publishing simply magnified that. We published work of women that we

thought no one else would do and we put out about sixty thousand volumes of verse on our

own—isn’t that amazing! Sixty thousand volumes by about 200 different women! And then

we merged with another press and we kept that up for awhile. Now we’ve pulled away from

publishing and we’re concentrating on our own work."

Grahn was asked if she might still publish her own poems or have them published by

another feminist press, now that she has a New York publisher, St. Martin’s Press.

"It keeps me very independent, which I like. It keeps me knowing that if there is an

idea I really feel close to, one that is essential to what I’m doing, that I can

compromise the corners of it, but I’m never going to have to compromise the center core,

because I can damn well do it myself. You know, that kind of independence is pretty

unbeatable. I would never have gotten anywhere if I had had to depend on New York

publishers; they’re very conservative to most of our ideas."

In response to a question about the West Coast publishing scene—whether it was a

good climate for women and lesbian writers—Grahn was of two minds. "Not only

women and lesbian writers but many independent publishers drift out here where there has

been a flourishing small press trade for many years, and flourishing poetry and

flourishing political, spiritual and economic ideas. Women writing and publishing, as well

as male writers and publishers, come to the West Coast and make the climate; we all hear

about it and so we drift in this direction. But I think most people create their own

environments. There’s an environment here for publishing, but for writing? Writing takes

so much determination—you would do it on a rock in the middle of the ocean, if you

had to."

Remembering her first years on the West Coast, little more than a decade ago, Grahn

spoke of the role she had played in the creation of feminist separatism. "I helped to

found the institution of separatism for women, but it has been founded multitudes of times

through the centuries. For me, it began in 1969 when we formed women-only groups and held

women-only dances. We were quite daring to do that at the time. I began writing

specifically about women’s issues and lives, feeling that I couldn’t learn to do that from

men. I could only learn to do it by concentrating on women. We perceived separatism as a

tool, as a home base in this very nomadic society—everyone needs one—and for

women, separatism has been a home base from which to launch our various legions of issues

out into society.

"I found that sometimes at women-only readings, men would dress up like women and

come to my readings to hear me, which really astonished me. They would creep in in

dresses. I believe this happened in antiquity and someone’s mother ripped him to pieces

for doing that very thing, but of course we’re different now. We don’t go to those

extremes. "The first time I read anything on the subject of rape where there were men

in the audience, they laughed because they didn’t know how else to respond. So, it was

impossible to bring the subject up with men in the audience until men had learned a

different set of responses and perceptions. They had to identify with rape as a problem

and not want it to happen. Many people took it for granted before the women’s movement

that rape was okay, it was even funny; so that was one of the reasons for us to use

separatism at that particular time. Now I would read a rape poem to a mixed audience on

purpose because I know there would be plenty of men in the audience who identify with it,

some of them who have been raped themselves, or who go out on Take-Back-The-Night marches

and who are organizers on the issue.

Grahn was asked if being a lesbian poet created additional problems of communication.

Does she feel that she speaks for other lesbians or women in general or even some larger

community?

I don’t think I speak for anyone but myself. I don’t think anyone ever basically does.

I mean, you have to ask someone else whether I speak for them or not, but I certainly have

tried to speak about and to a large number of people, different kinds of people, whose

spirits crowd into my room in their most critical aspects while I’m writing.

"Being a lesbian, which I knew I was by the time I was sixteen, and being a poet,

which I knew I was when I was nine, forced me to put those two things together, and there

are a number of ways to do it. I had some traumatic things happen to me as a lesbian. For

example, I was thrown out of the Air Force for being honest about my lesbianism. So I felt

it was very important for me to be able to find a way to speak as a lesbian and then go on

from there to be everybody’s poet, which is what I want to be. I had to take care of that

little piece of business first. For fifteen years I’ve been juggling both sides of myself,

trying to create a climate whereby people could see around the fact that I’m a lesbian.

When this stereotype would be broken, they would understand, ‘Yes, there is such a thing,

and it has thus and such dimensions, and that’s her or that’s me, but the rest of her work

is about something else which pertains to many, many other issues.’ I don’t know if I’m

describing it, but my intention is to write poetry for everyone, and, given that, I have

to do it as me. So first I have to establish that everyone can see me as who I am and take

that for granted, and then we can go on to what comes next.

Commenting on the universality of Grahn’s work, Felstiner read from Adrienne Rich, in

her introduction to The Work of a Common Woman: "When I finished the

poem ("A Woman Is Talking to Death") I realized I had been

weeping; and I knew in an exhausted kind of way that what had happened to me was

irreversible."

Her poem on Marilyn Monroe caused readers to wonder how Grahn could reconcile anger and

humor. She explained: "If you have two emotions, then you know that I’m really

talking about something more than just what I said I was talking about. What I’m really

talking about is all of us who have seen a symbol of Hollywood success commit suicide at

the height of her career, after having married an athlete and after having married an

intellectual and obviously wanting to become an intellectual herself, and wanting to be

someone whose body would be taken more for itself and less as the pretty horseflesh that

it was taken for. When I think of her, I get a terrible chill because I know that she came

from a poor background and worked her way all the way up to being a suicide, and I don’t

want that to happen to any of us ever again.

"I knew women similar to her, for example, a very statuesque blonde woman who was

the mistress of a doctor and when he jilted her at age 40, she drank mercury and took a

week to die. It was the same year as Monroe’s death and that was not unusual. We should

not have those kinds of images in our minds to look forward to. This poem was written to

break through that poster image to another side and say, ‘let’s go for what’s real, let’s

take this and make something else out of it,’ and I think that for the last decade

we’ve been doing just that." Grahn made it clear that the anger was not directed at

Marilyn Monroe but at the potential suicide "who lives in each of us."

"I’m doing a lot of research into women’s history and also gay history and

beginning to write about that. I’m also working on a novel. It actually has many

characters that are plants and animals, which I find intriguing. I seem to be really

expanding the notion of how poetry can be useful to the other arts and lead us further

into understanding the nature of our world: where we come from and what the basis of

women’s power is, what it looks like, where it developed and where it might go. At some

point in the past, poets were scientists in society, and I want us to reclaim that part of

poetry, the notion of being very exact in description, like druids and sorcerers and other

ancient poets. They were using language in its most potent form. So I am straining, in

every direction, in order to do research and combine etymology with imagery. I am trying

to understand analogy, which is a way of comparing one thing to another, so that we can

make connections again."

Grahn had written an article on the word "bulldyke," in conjunction with her

historical research. "I don’t know of an uglier word I’ve ever been called in my life

than ‘bulldyke.’ I was so haunted by this for many years that I finally decided to

take the[ word by the horns and find out why this strange word is in the vernacular. I’ve

traced it to a Celtic queen who fought against the Romans in A.D. 61 during the

reign of Nero and nearly won. The Celts had institutional gay practices, which the Roman

authors were horrified by. This queen led a nation which still had gay traditions going

on. She had flaming red hair and was a very large woman. The Celtic women warriors were

older women who often taught the men arms. It was a totally different sense of fighting

than we have any conception of. And when she rebelled against the Roman colonists and

nearly won, they suppressed her name. Her name was Boadicea, a word which has come down to

us meaning a very militaristic or strong, warrior-like, lesbian-type large female. That’s

a part of what I’m working on, combining poetry and etymology and my own experiences.

There are many other examples besides that one. That’s the one that really thrilled me to

death when it finally came together."

Judy Grahn leaves her readers realizing, consciously or not, what people from antiquity

down through the Renaissance have realized: that at her best, the poet feels no

distinction between her own experience, her art, and her political life. All three feed

and flow into each other.

from Felstiner, John. "Judy Grahn." Women Writers of the West-Coast:

Speaking of Their Lives and Careers. Santa Barbara: Capra Press, 1983.

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